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Pics of Bob's World 11-11-04*********
Link: Erwin
Invitational Air Pistol Shoot
Welcome Friends.
I'd like you to know that the Homestead
Concept is working very well. I'm enjoying your conversation and
comments. Sincerely. It's a welcome place to visit. Thanks for
participating.
11-30-04
Well, we've had a busy November. Hope
you have enjoyed these pages.
New URL for December
is now in effect.
One quick subject I hope you will help
me with just now. Since you are all regular readers, you will
have followed along with many things (for better or worse) that
I've attended to over the past months. There's never enough of
me to go around.
As you've enjoyed the Homestead side,
I do too. One little point of stress though I've created for myself.
Obviously, individual project progress is key in everyone's curiosity.
You may follow that I wish I could report great leaping strides
on everyone's individual project each time we speak. I can't.
Great strides on some - less on others.
Things come up like I must face this
morning. There's a truck bearing down on my shop from Atlanta,
Ga. It carries a 900 pound band saw that I've needed for the past
30 years while I've used my little altered one. That shop's door
is blocked with equipment and there's no room for it. I have to
make a hole. So, that's gonna cut into somebody's project today.
I apologize.
I've been dancing as fast as I can.
Dragging along as much with me as possible. I tell you what's
been going on and I hope you enjoy seeing what I have gotten complete.
I promise that yours is in the works. I don't play golf. ;?)
Thanks sincerely,
Gary
11-29-04
Victory
32 SS Movie
11-29-04
Had the Yukon 58 GS out to the farm
this windy afternoon. I've had an excellent Thanksgiving break.
wonderful to have gotten in some shooting. Much needed ... I'd
almost forgotten how. ;?)
Take a look at the movie I made from
the footage I shot today at the range.
Yukon 58
GS Movie
11-27-04
Please take another
look at the "Base
Model Barnes"
page if you'd like a description of where my work starts.
_
Was shooting the Barnes
83 grain Shrike slug today some. 71 fpe. This is why some may
not have considered pistols before. However; most will agree this
is a different world from what you've experienced before.
Really coveres the
storage, handling, transportation, and weight issues.
Just filling you in.
Not trying to change the world. Just showing you another page
or two of what's possible here in the shop.
We'll talk more ...
11-27-04
A number of you have been talking to
me throughout the past year. Some of you joined the ledger without
choosing a specific model. We've discussed the development program
which has been on-going for the last 18 months or so. I've mentioned
the "Victory Class" to some of you. This is a pistol
version that has been in testing. A Pistol Carbine version is
available (out-rigger rear shoulder stock). This action could
also be mounted in a carbine rifle stock format.
As was discussed in the long post (11-15-04),
I often do not build the base model first. The "Base"
model is just as custom as any other pc. I'd build. Therefore;
the one I've assembled and have been testing has a number of features
many ask about.
We've enjoyed a wonderful Thanksgiving
break - yes. Thanks for your notes.
In the shop, I've finally decided to
give one of my old bandsaws the retirement I'll never have. ;?)
A simple wood cutting bandsaw I converted to cut metal 30 years
ago. I've nursed it along. Today I told them to send me one like
the big boys use - blade welder and all. I feel like a kid at
Christmas. Now, I just have to get the elves to move everything
so it can come into the shop. ;?)
The turkey sandwiches are going down
very well - yes ... washed by a cup of coffee. The Bison are wandering
around in the shop. It's been cold and windy outside - Oh ...
some of you tell me very kind things from time to time. I appreciate
it very much. Maybe some of you will appreciate something that
I appreciate. Try the CD's of Allison Krauss. Her voice is one
of God's gifts to all our ears. From a background of Bluegrass,
her songs cover a wide range of styles. You'll find several that
will make you simply stop and marvel.
Well, it's almost 2am. I see the Tryptophan
hasn't really burnt thru the caffeine yet. Hummm ... better get
upstairs anyway.
;?)
Gary
11-25-04
Happy Thanksgiving
I hope you all enjoy
a time of relaxation and find that you are blessed.
I plan to actually
do alittle shooting this morning. It's been way too long since
I shot for fun. I hardly even got to shoot at SS4 again.
We'll go to our Son's
home for a great meal later today. Yummmmm.
Been alot of mail correspondence
lately. I appreciate your notes. I'm moving projects along. Turning
the shop into a Bison workshop now. I'm into four of them good
folks are waiting for.
No ... nobody ever
took the free firewood. One of our Homestead friends said he'd
like to have it but I'd have to drive it to Alaska for him ...
;?) Hummmm ..... I had to haul it away.
It's been real good
to be in the shop working. I have the warm fuzzies with the thought
of the winter workshop and completing things.
We have a small group
committed to the Erwin Cup Pistol shoot - Jan. 15,16, '05 in Corbin,
Kentucky. That will be a fun time. Bob is fluffing up all the
targets for us.
Sorry I'm behind where
I'd like to be but I'm gaining some ground. I know I haven't posted
as much - been trying for alittle more shop time.
Some of you have picked
up on the "pistol" threads and asked about them. I'm
fascinated that there's so much that can be done with them that
answers what many people try to meet with their rifles. I agree
that the very low power short barrel variety of pistol are somewhat
limited. Those are great for indoor target and back yard enjoyment.
The "Pistols" I'm making are in a bit of a different
category. They're all "Pistol-Mags".
Mine are units that
could be at home in a small carbine stock. I started out making
things like this and got away from it as more and more folks were
intrigued by the big - long reaching rifles. Now I'm very much
enjoying both. My pistols are an interesting compromise. A third
to a half the weight of the rifles. About a quarter or a third
the length of a rifle. Yet my pistols are deadly accurate and
generate the power of most of the commercial PCP rifles of the
same caliber. Easy to store - easy to carry around. With power
adjust, easy to turn down for an indoor range if you wish. A neat
alternative.
Think I'll go shoot
a few rounds before Turkey! ;?)
Best of all to you
... Gary
11-19-04
Yes, I'm here. Thanks
for asking.
Working on parts. Working
on some crates for shipping. Worked on some more clean-up around
here. It's not the sort of thing you just give a kid a few bucks
to do. Not anymore anyway. Nothing's simple. I bought the place
in 1980. Young and stupid, I planted shade trees and yew shrubs
and ornamental trees and juniper bushes and juniper ground cover,
and azalea, and bamboo, etc., etc. Now, 25 years later, I'm ready
to lay waste to the whole darned forest. I must have been out
of my mind!
Thanks ... don't tell
me I was the last person on earth to find out that bamboo is aggressive.
Heard it all. Everybody else learned that in pre-school. Grew
up with a full knowledge of oriental horticulture. Well, I went
before they had pre-school ... so I missed all that. But I can
tell you things you don't even WANT to know about it now ... ha
ha ;?)
Story for you. I had
a bunch of construction materials stored - in waiting for a tool
shed addition to the shop. You know - the hundred hand tools,
the mower, snowblower, weed whackers, leaf blower, pressure washer,
chipper, mulcher, etc., etc.
So, the materials were
waiting there - in the way. And, one of these stupid ornamental
trees I'd planted - a flowering crab apple - was in the way -
they're ALL in the way. So, don't tell anyone ... I cut the thing
down. Then, the pile of tree brush and wood was in the way....
;?(
So, here and there,
I've moved the materials, cut the tree, moved the debris ... maybe
six months ago I framed the addition and roofed it ... later I
did alittle more. At this time, it has some cribbing up for walls
with some cedar shingle on the back - the weather side is just
a ladder work of cribbing the shingles go on. Whenever ... I have
no time to fiddle with it now.
So, many of these materials
that I'd accumulated were just never used. In the way. Some second
hand and ... waiting for years ... they were just not fresh enough
now. So, today, I cut up a bunch of 6 by 6 posts that were real
nice about 20+ years ago. Still solid ... but not what you invest
time into building with now. I'd acquired a bunch of packs of
1 by 3 lathing. I mean a dozen bundles of it or so ... but - weather,
cooking under tarps, bugs, etc. ... not fresh now. Cut it up.
Had some big limb stock - cut that up. Laid it all neatly in the
back of the truck. Cut into 3-4' lengths. Full load - tires showing
the weight and the truck down from the weight.
Around here, I've set
things out with FREE signs on them now and then, Usually gone
in half an hour. I decided someone could use all this clean firewood.
Put a sign out referring them around back to the truck - free
firewood.
All day, trucks drove
by in the alley - stopped - then drove on. So, good news ... the
economy is booming. Nobody needs a truckload of free firewood.
Maybe if it was seasoned split white oak and I'd deliver it and
stack it for them, someone would take it. Man, 25 years ago I'd
have thought it was Christmas if someone had given me this stuff.
Things have changed.
Still needing some
confirmation from a few for our Erwin Pistol Shoot. If you'd like
to spend the weekend with some folks enjoying Barnes Pistols,
let us know. You'll regret it for the rest of your lif.... well
... maybe not ... but we'd enjoy your company. It's intended to
be a small group and we have a few. But, for now, we have room
for a few more.
11-15-04 (amended
11-16-04)
If there's been a defining
discussion here on the website, I think this one - poised to snap
off of my fingers onto the keyboard may be it. You'll need a cup
of coffee or tea - and a few cookies. ;?)
Read it when you have
time to enjoy it. It's just a bunch of thoughts that came together
at this point.
How do I do this? I
mean ... really. Not how does the reservoir screw onto the valve
body, I mean .... HOW do I manufacture the products you see on
these pages. Some of you will find this fascinating ... some of
you will find it frustrating. Maybe this should be over on the
Homestead side, because it requires a simple faith in the fact
that I'm not "spinning" anything here. This is THE inside
information that goes to the core of Barnes Pneumatic. Ready?
OK, I've taught myself
to think in and to build "concepts". Concepts - not
artifacts. The one key invention which allowed the entire industrial
revolution was ..... "the interchangeable part". It
allowed unskilled labor to produce quality goods. Let me beat
that to death. That means that you can get a parts list for a
1963 Ford Falcon, and you can order up any of those parts, and
they will fit onto your 1963 Falcon. Big deal. So what?
Do you know what it
took to do that? Tens of millions of dollars for a start. A key
team of engineers design the concept. They are the ones who need
to know how the thing works. Not just that part # 465-KNY may
eventually be an exhaust valve for a six cylinder internal combustion
engine, rather ... they need to be able to DESIGN an internal
combustion engine and know what that exhaust valve needs to do.
What steel does it need to be made from? What shape does it need
to be. What diameter? What degree of bevel? What seat material
will it mate with? How will it be effected by heat? What spring
pre-load will snap it shut ... for the next twenty years and one
hundred million cycles?
Oh, eventually, you
can look that stuff up in mechanical engineering texts. Maybe.
Maybe if there is a text on the subject. Maybe if it's not a new
concept. Maybe if you can FIND the material you need and relate
it to the application you require. Then, maybe you can find some
of the information.
As the original engineer
however, you need to have an "instinct" for the original
concept. You need to be able to visualize your part in motion
... within the working swarm of all the other dependent parts
of the project. And then, you fabricate that prototype exhaust
valve - the one you saw in your mind. And, when it's complete,
you document the steps you took to make it. The casting and/or
machining. The lathe work. The heat treating. The dimensions.
The allowable tolerances.
For production, with
hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment and labor, you set
up an entire system whereby workers (who know surprisingly little
about the given object), can run machinery which produces those
exhaust valves by the crate full. At that point, with sufficient
quality control and ongoing maintenance of equipment, you can
take any of those exhaust valves out of any crate and install
them into the engine of your 63 Falcon six cylinder.
Now, all you need is
to do the exact same thing for each of the other 20,000 parts
in the car.
We take all of this
for granted. It's the way industry has worked for the last 150
years. The interchangeable part, made by the thousand, was the
key. It requires factories - shifts of workers - vast tooling
maintenance - and incredible amounts of capital investment.
Fast forward. Do I
do that? No. Can I do that? No ... not just like that. Look into
the crystal ball again .... what did man do for the next generation
of the "interchangeable part"? Labor became organized
and expensive to maintain at about the same time as the electronics
revolution. Manufactured brains ... PC's ... came into being.
You didn't have to find a natural engineer who could visualize
the unknown. You just programed the PC's brain the do a repetitive
series of operations ... exactly the same for time without end.
And, to accompany the brain, you needed the most incredible computer
operated machine equipment ....CNC. You didn't specifically have
to make crates and crates of the same part (though you could).
In reality, you had your magic replicator which stored the method
of making your parts on demand. Your millions of dollars now transferred
from your labor force into your hardware investment. You began
to exist just to service the hardware. Keep it running. Keep the
brain cool and dust free. Make the payments on the equipment.
Fly in the specialized technicians to calibrate the things when
they go weird on you. Now you will need a different computer program
- along with the tooling capacity - for each of those 20,000 parts
of your 2002 Honda Civic.
Do I do that? No. Can
I do that? No ... not just like that.
This is the experience
that people have come to expect. The overwhelming mystery process
none of us can wrap our minds around (unless you ever owned Ford
Motor Company) ... ;?) yet, we feel somehow familiar with the
saga, and feel we understand how the process works - and that
it's really pretty straight forward. Heck, we've seen it on the
History channel ... those wooden spoked model T wheels rolling
down the ramp ... caught just in time by the worker who slaps
it into a rim fitting machine ... and it rolls on.
Let's reel in the scale
some. Barnes Pneumatic. A vast amount of equipment spread over
a series of shops, yet no CNC equipment. Couldn't I have some?
Sure. Maybe one half decent older machine. Probably get one for
$25k. And, if it worked more than a month, I could program a few
operations on a couple of my parts. It won't make an entire airgun.
You see, these things are not magic robots. Some may exist that
will lathe turn, bore, mill, drill, tap, and polish while auto-changing
two dozen tooling set-ups during the process of making one part
from billet stock. Those machines are making parts for NASA. A
quarter of a million dollars will start you off on a small one
... then there's the service contract ... ;?)
Consider this. I can
make two nearly identical parts. I can make any replacement part
I need. It takes extra time though to make two identical parts.
To register them with one another. Now - ask yourself - for my
application ... why do it? The parts I make are good to go for
the next hundred years or so. What do you think is the chance
that someone is going to take apart one Barnes trigger block assembly
in order to swap an individual part out of it into a different
Barnes trigger block on a different rifle? Slim to none I'd think
- correct. So, is there a point for me to buy a new $50,000 CNC
mill that can be programed to produce three shifts worth of crates
each day full of secondary trip levers for a Barnes Chaparral
trigger block? Or ... should I have the $50K machine sitting there
for the five copies of that individual part I'll actually need
this year? Right ... I could have a hundred programs for a hundred
different parts ... or pcs. of those parts which my machine could
do ... while six other machines would be required to finish each
of the parts started on the fancy machine.
It's pointless to have
six thousand secondary trip levers really - unless I also have
six thousand of each of the other 99 parts of the rifle. See,
I'm not in the secondary lever business. That's exactly what I'd
have to be in if I had that machine. Instead, I understand the
"concept" of the trigger block. I have my mechanical
drawings with the dimensions I make them to. However; they are
fit individually ... according to the "concept" of their
inner workings which is imprinted in my head.
When you make the parts
by hand, you can make very similar parts, if you make all of the
same product year in and out. Of those parts that you make the
same, the parts will still vary a good bit. You see - there's
another BIG issue that people overlook. The issue of "DESIGN
TOLERANCE" . You can design a really sloppy project - with
really simple parts - and you can make them with a really wide
degree of variation ... and call them interchangeable ONLY because
the tolerances are so ridiculous wide in your design. Instead,
I make very intricate designs. The parts are fit with extreme
accuracy and exceptionally small tolerances. Those part are laid
in with the knowledge of the geometry of the parts - the time
is spent making this particular unit a fine as possible ... not
in making one lever from this unit fit into another unit a hundred
years from now. With my tools (which are very good but not state
of the art) I can make extremely fine work. I cannot make extremely
fine work that will interchange with my other extremely fine work
unless I'd devote five times the effort to making each part.
Therefore; if you were
that unskilled labor who was stuffing CNC made interchangeable
parts into interchangeable housings ... and you came to work at
Barnes Pneumatic ... you would be useless here. Here, you must
understand "concepts". You can't just stick a lever
into the trigger block. You must know the arc which the levers
are supposed to sweep. Know the geometry involved for engagement
and disengagement positions. Know the leverage which will generate
the force required for the minimal effort you wish to use. Know
by instinct, how to lay the parts on a blank side plate ... and
make a two stage trigger which actually has two stages.
I help people sort
out the site and the individual models. They ask: "Where's
the picture of the base model"? I answer: I've never
made one. "What?" No, the base model would be
just as custom as any other version. "You lost me".
You see, I don't have crates of base parts which are then dressed
up into fancy parts. I'd only make the base parts if I were building
a base model rifle. Otherwise, I build the parts required for
the individual build at hand. Crazy ... right?
Think about it ...
where would the base parts come from? Billet stock - custom machined.
So, why would I machine a plain trigger guard which really is
50% of the work of a fancy trigger guard? You see, we are so used
to buying upgrade parts for everything we own that we don't even
consider where the original parts come from. We take the original
wheels off of our vehicles and toss them in order to replace them
with custom wheels. Well, some person (or thing) made those original
wheels. Here at Barnes Pneumatic ... that would be me. So, I just
make the parts I need for the concept at hand ... not being bound
to start with some generic list of "base" parts ...
and thus the original "wheels" never exist. I go straight
to machining the custom ones I need.
What I've come to,
over the years, is a lifetime of "concepts" which I
build. This is NOT the non-sense you hear on TV where the guy
claims "I just start working and let the object tell me what
it wants to be ... ". That's absurd. You cannot build without
a vision. I "see" everything I make in advance. I know
that's not normal. But it makes me what I am. I work it thru in
my mind (often just staring into space where the mind's workbench
lies) and then go to paper once it's well worked out. I don't
make the first cut until I KNOW the thing is finished and working
in my head. Then, often, it's a drag to have to actually make
the parts. The creative process is then over and I'm relegated
to "technician" status for weeks of hard labor, following
my own mechanical drawings.
This is why I cannot
show you every version which I may have described as being possible.
The combinations are limitless. I often "know" that
this "concept" will work when applied. I can mix and
match those concepts, but the time consuming mechanical drawings
(with everything spelled out to the thousandth of an inch), must
be drafted prior to cutting steel. The vision is always several
steps ahead of the reality. It's only the reality that can be
photographed and put up on the site. I've often shown you concept
drawings - well in advance of making the airgun. I've done this
to have you become comfortable (while to a far lesser degree)
than I am with my ability to turn the concept into reality. You
see, I've been "me" for a long time now. I know what
I can do - and I've tried to share that with you. So, while industry
can show you their entire product line ... mine is in my mind.
Most recently, I've
morphed the business toward a "lego block" system of
these concepts that I can use to make anything I want to make.
It's the "process" - and not the individual part which
becomes interchangeable. I've referred to this last 18 months
of development as the "V-Twin" project. I'm going to
move to single out the models which use this technology from the
previous models. When I do so, some folks will be certain that
the previous works were flawed in some way. Not so - they just
required different mind sets and processes to make them. I won't
ever be able to drag myself into making endless copies of the
same thing. What I can do is make endless variations using similar
concepts which I've tooled for. You may see now that if I'd make
copies of the same thing over and over, they'd all still be individual
copies anyway. Can you imagine anything more alien to someone
like me than to invest all of the effort to make individual custom
parts for what appears to be stamped out clones. I get a shudder
just thinking of it.
I've proofed all the
concepts and processes at this point. We'll all benefit from the
results. If some wish to switch models, you know I've never scolded
you for that. The cost structures are identical - so - nobody's
being jumped up to anything they don't want. Everything on the
ledger will be made as promised when logged. I've had to complete
this "V-Twin" development project in order to keep the
business healthy for the future. It does produce the same quality
product - duplicate every performance characteristic - and yet
lower the stress level of dealing with public interest and demand.
Keep in mind too, I've
already put thirty years into my business. I'll never be able
to retire. Lowering the stress level is the gravy of my investment.
Take a look at the
Chaparral, the Liberty, the Heritage, the Yukon, the V-Twin. You'll
note that they are not copies of anything, nor are they copies
of themselves. Yet - they are the result of this quiet revolution
here at Barnes Pneumatic.
Gary
1:53 AM - 11-16-04
11-14-04
Ahhh.... Fall of the
Year.
Here's about 25 bags
and those were all shredded - thus compressed. Be 4-5 times as
many otherwise I guess. And, we're about half done. My wife and
I always share this little saying ... "Gives you a good feeling
to do something for yourself ... doesn't it?" Actually, no
... it hurts a good bit right now ... ;?)
Heard from Bob. I've
been aware that he shoots his Chaparral 25 Pistol all the time.
Really uses it for enjoyment as it was intended. Can you believe
he's got 12-15k rounds thru that already? You know, I was wanting
to ask him how often he cleans the barrel. Before I could ask,
he gave me a report today and mentioned the fact without me ever
asking. He was talking about the amazing accuracy and mentioned
that he'd NEVER cleaned the barrel yet! That #3 buckshot is more
hard than soft lead and the barrel is just "right" -
evidently it doesn't get dirty.
Excerpt from today's
mail ....
Sleep well tonight Gary, knowing I'm doing by best
to wear it out and failing miserably.
Bob
11-12-04
Much improved - thanks.
Got one of those vac/shredder units
to help gather the tons of leaves on the property. Hey - nobody
told me you still have to push the thing and dump the bag every
ten minutes. Hummmm ...
Thank Heaven it's raining today and
I can't do any more of the leaves ... ;?)
Working on parts. That's the gravy.
Also putting in some more shop air
lines today. With those neat little dangly coil hoses dropped
from the ceiling. Tired of the tripping two step as they coil
in wait for me. Things are looking up. White tile and stainless
steel benches next I guess ... ha ha.
Back to it.
11-10-04
Feeling better during the days and
coughing myself to exhaustion at night. It's the gift that keeps
on giving ... ha ha.
Feels sooooooo good to be in the shop
cutting steel. I'm working. It's clear that I'm behind where I'd
like to be at this time. Interruptions come in all sorts of wrapping
paper. We try our best to cut out what can be cut out, yet keep
the business rounded and healthy. Personally, I know the line
between commentary and excuse gets blurred as time goes by. Just
let me say for the record, nobody suffers more than me for the
delays. But hey - I'm grinning while I run the lathe today.
We set the date for the Pistol Invitational.
Jan. 15, 16, '05. Remember, this isn't a Festival event like SS.
It's an invitational on private property. We just want a core
of friends there to enjoy it with us. We've had some interested
parties - you tell us if it's something you may wish to be included
in. There is no fee - it's a small event and Bob's already built
his pistol wonderland over the years.
I plan to whip his butt at the event.
By then that Chaparral 25 barrel of his will probably be shot
out ... he he. I think I set that one to lay down at 15k rounds
.... sneaky. Unless he got that 100 mpg carburetor version I had
set back for myself ... come to think of that ... where IS that
barre.....
11-05-04
Working on your orders. Replaced a
couple of critical parts I ruined (it happens). When it does,
I go back to bar stock and machine a fresh perfect replacement.
Trying to get a few sets of parts for
bluing. I'll be assembling the action of a Delta 32 /100 fpe version
soon as I get one critical part back from bluing.
Making plans for SS5. It takes the
whole year to get it right. We'll set the date asap. Still getting
photos from some of you and hearing what a great time you had.
Still fighting this miserable chest
cold. Living on cough syrup.
Heard from the Mom of the young man
whom we lost recently. She heard from the fella that received
Nelson's liver - all's well and he's exceptionally grateful. Guess
that's the ultimate example of making lemonade from lemons.
Tomorrow's Saturday ... I work on parts.
I have a few photos from SS4 to share.
Hope you enjoy them.
I could sure go for a round of the
Wood's Walk again. I've added in the line of sight red line to
show you the target. This is Ger - a buddy from the Netherlands.
I think he was shooting a Falcon here.
What a beautiful setting that was ...
Guido (another friends from the Netherlands)
shooting the Wood's walk with Cecil's Barnes Ranger Delta 32.
Some of those targets were waaaaay
out. Guido did 19/20 with a Barnes 45 pistol. These steel swinger
targets (highlighted area) were at least 60 yards - mounted on
trees. Often there was brush and saplings in the way as well.
Peter (Netherlands) shooting a Barnes
Liberty 25 on the Wood's Walk. The 25 caliber ball was extremely
accurate.
Julio (Puerto Rico) shooting the Barnes
Yukon 58GS. You see why I like those 4X shotgun scopes?
"And then, I just wave my hand
over it like this ... "
Do you think Peter was buying it? ha
ha ... ;?)
(Actually - I was explaining the power
adjust feature of Peter's Liberty 25).
_
Here's Bob on the Woods Walk range.
Shooting a Barnes Chaparral 25 pistol. Note the shooting positions
were chosen to make it a challenge. Like hunting. Some targets
were clear - some obscured.
A blast from the past. Co2/low psi
PCP 45 caliber Pistol from about 6+ years ago.
More
asap ... Gary